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as such的指代问题

来源:www.anqinghui.com 2024-08-16

句子中的as such 指代的是什么,句子有必要讲的这么麻烦吗?

To say a thing is better or worse implies some standard, which obviously is not there as such in the thing being evaluated.

中文翻译为:说一个东西较好或较坏,这暗示了某种标准,非常明显,这标准本身并没有于正在被评价的事物中。

源于撒穆尔•伊诺克•斯通普夫《西方哲学史:从苏格拉底到萨特及其后》


第一个问题:非限制性定语从句修饰的先行词是standard, 那as such 指代的又是什么呢,前文仿佛并没提示,还是只不过虚指被评价事物中的某样东西?as such 是以下几种使用方法的一种吗,还是有另外的意思?


as such 有以下几种使用方法:

 1.“像如此的人或事”“像这种情况”

She is a competent leader and has always been regarded as such by her colleagues.

  这句话中的as such的such代指前文的a competent leader,整理后就是She is a competent leader and has always been regarded as a competent leader by her colleagues.他是一位有能力的领导并且一直被同事视为有能力的领导。


 2.置于名词后面,表示in the exact sense of the word ,意为“就本身而论”、“…… 本身”,大概等于itself或者themselves。

I do not object taxes as such, but do object when taxation is justified on spurious or dishonest grounds.

  这里的as such等同于前面的taxes,翻译为我不是反对税收本身,但我确实反对莫名的或不正当的原因的税收。

  同义替换可以写成I am not against taxes as such, but I am against levying taxes on spurious or dishonest grounds.



 3.有时用于否定句表示“算不上……”、“并不真是……”的意思。

  I cant call my book a best seller as such, but its very popular.

  我不敢说我的书是畅销书,但可以说非常受青睐。

  同义替换可以写成I dare not say that my book is a best seller as such, but it really enjoys great popularity.


第二个问题:原句假如改成 To say a thing is better or worse implies some standard, which obviously is notin the thing being evaluated.

删除去 there as such,是否原句会更通顺合理,容易理解呢?句子意义可以理解,但我不知道的就是明明可以说了解,为何要绕一圈讲话呢?


下面贴出来的是原文具体语境和翻译,求大神解答

The doctrine of Forms leaves many questions as well as problems. Plato’s language gives the impression that there are two distinct worlds, but the relationship of these worlds is not easily conceived. Nor is the relation between Forms and their corresponding objects as clear as one would wish. Still, his argument is highly suggestive, particularly as he seeks to account for our ability to make judgments of value. To say a thing is better or worse implies some standard, which obviously is not there as such in the thing being evaluated. The doctrine of the Forms also makes possible scientific knowledge, for clearly the scientist has let go of actual visible particulars and deals with essences or universals, that is, with laws. The scientist formulates laws and these laws tell us something aboutallthings, not only the immediate and particular things. Although this whole doctrine of the Forms rests upon Plato’s metaphysical views, that ultimate reality is non-material, it goes a long way toward explaining the more simple fact of how it is possible for us to have ordinary conversation. Any discourse between human beings, it would seem, illustrates our independence from particular things. Conversation, Plato would say, is the clue that leads us to the Forms, for conversation involves more than seeing. The eye can see only the particular thing, but the thinking that animates conversation departs from specific things as thought sees the universal, the Form. There is in the end a stubborn lure in Plato’s theory, even though it ends inconclusively.


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你的句子中的as such是你举出的三种使用方法的第三种。不过你的汉语翻译过于狭隘。词典对此的讲解如下:

as such

1:of the usual or expected kind:in the usual sense

I have no bossas such[=there is no one who is actually my boss], but I do have to answer to my clients.

The new job is not a promotion as such, but it has good prospects.

as such用在否定句中的名词后,意为“一般意义上的”。有的状况下可以翻译为“算不上”,有的状况则不可以用“算不上”来翻译。

但这种使用方法的as such一般是坐落于其修饰的名词后的,为何网友的句子as such却放在了后面?缘由是as such 修饰的 standard被which 替换了,大家不可以说which as such.假如把这个主从复合句拆分成二个句子,as such就坐落于standard 后面了。

To say a thing is better or worse implies some standard, which obviously is not there as such in the thing being evaluated.

To say a thing is better or worse implies some standard. A standard as suchobviously is not there in the thing being evaluated.

说一个东西好一些或者差一些,一般暗示有某个标准。但非常显然,一般意义上的规范在现在评估的这件事情上是没有的。

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